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April 28, 2008

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Liz

I just had a big long drawn out discussion with Tobys doctor about his vaccinations and how necessray they are. I went ahead with them per her opinion but I agree - it just seems so many parents must take their kids and they get all of these shots in their first two years of life and do the parents even think twice about it because of course they trust the doctors.....

Dont people interview their doctors anymore?

Curls

Thank you for taking the time to question what causes Autism! With 1 in 150 children being diagnosised with Autism I think it is important that all parents start to question their doctors, start to question each other and most importantly listen to the parents of children with Autism who have been questioning the CDC for years. Raising Awareness is so important to finding a cure!
I also want to stress that teaching your children to show concern and compassion for these kids is an invaluable lesson.
I heard Trouble was asking questions at the Autism walk! That is wonderful and I cannot express how grateful I am that I have such wonderful and supportive friends!

J

Are you sure you mean boosters, on the MMR? MMR is usually given between 18 & 24m of age, boosters are given on top of it before school age to boost immunity.

I am *not* anti-vaccine, I am however concerned about the exposure of too many at once, especially given that my twins were born 11 weeks early.

None of my kids has been given the 'MMR' vaccine. My twins were given each dose individually over the course of 2 years. In addition, neither will be given a booster because I chose instead to do a titer. A titer can tell you exactly what immunities you've received from vaccinations thus avoiding any excess exposure. We did titers for ALL immunizations and my kids don't actually need any boosters-a big relief to me, particularly since my son had a reaction to the Mumps vaccine.

An additional positive to breaking the vaccine into each of its components is that each one is a single dose vial. I do not allow, ever, my kids to have anything from a multi dosing bottle. This is where the preservatives come into play because once that seal is broken for the first child, its needed to make the remainder available. Single dose vaccinations do not contain preservatives.

My 3 year old has had none of the MMR because our new pediatricians office hasn't ordered the single dose vials for me yet. He'll start them at his 4 year check up and do one every 6 months.

Don't even get me started on the flu shot ;)

J

One additional thought...

Doesn't it seem, in some respects, as if the doctors are quick to panic parents as well? The fact of the matter is that kids don't all develop at the same rate or within someone else's perception of 'normal range'. Just because a child has a delay in one, or even more, area doesn't necessarily warrant a doctor suggesting it might be wise to do an autism screening.

My twins, again born 11 weeks early, didn't hit milestones at actual age and who would expect them to. By age 18 months they were caught up to their peers and now, finishing kindergarten, are the top 2 students in the class. Sure, my son has some clumsiness and minor fine motor issues, but nothing more severe than those of any of his full term classmates.

My youngest, born full term, has a speech delay. He had no words at age 2. We did have him screened...for speech therapy. Not once did we ever concern ourselves with autism because we saw no red flags and, thank goodness, our doctor didn't suggest it. Though it seems many around our area jump right to that conclusion.

As for my son, today at almost 3.5 he has a vocabulary bigger than many adults. Sure he's still missing and substituting a few sounds but those are just his thing to work on.

That's all folks...

Diosa

Obviously this is a real hot button topic, and by no means am I an expert on the subject.

J - I'm just using booster interchangeably with vaccine, which is probably incorrect. I've never heard of a titer. And yes, I think you're right - doctors, teachers, anyone who works with kids, will be quick to bring up autism if your child has a language delay.

Curls - You're welcome! I'm just putting my two cents out there. And I know I'm not even scratching the surface here when it comes to autism.

Liz - I think many people just go ahead with whatever their doctor says, and will trust anyone with an MD next to their name. But that is certainly not true of everyone. There are lots of concerned parents out there that are not satisfied with the answers they're getting, especially regarding autism, as you can see already in these comments.

J

fwiw, a titer is a simple blood draw. One draw can test immunity for all prior given vaccinations. Many doctors routinely booster around school-age unnecessarily. With the titer you can find out exactly what your child is lacking and only actually give those boosters.

A question for you though. What do you think about things like the varicella vaccination?

Lissfull

There are so many interesting and potentially valid theories on what causes autism. One I learned about recently is a surge of testosterone during pregnancy, and the timing of when it happens during pregnancy would affect the severity of symptoms. Very interesting seeing that more boys than girls are affected by autism.

I think another interesting point, in addition to immunizations, is what is going on in our environment. Is it just a coincidence that we eat so many preservatives and our environment is so polluted and the number of children diagnosed with autism is rising so significantly.

I think some children are diagnosed mistakenly. I think that these are the kids we read about who are miraculously cured. That's only my opinion though and I certainly do not consider myself an expert. People are very quick to slap a label on kids. Working in Early intervention, I see that a lot. I avoided it for quite some time with my own child, because I didn't want to label him something he wasn't. I knew something wasn't right, but he made progress in fits and starts. I was really just hoping he would pull it together. For the most part he did, but he has recently reached a point when the progress just wasn't coming as fast.

Some kids are just obviously autistic, others more subtlety so. I am all for early services regardless of delays and I firmly believe that most of the kids I treat for speech and language delays would pull it together without me eventually, but why make the family wait, why not help the skills along. Then there are the kids that won't pull it together and need every bit of help they can get.

I meant to take the Things to the Autism walk, but lost track of it yet again. Hopefully I can pull it together to be there next year. Excellent post Diosa.

Diosa

J - I know Dr. H questions it's effectiveness. He says what they're seeing now is mutated versions of the chickenpox, but not full blown cases. We think that Trouble had a case of it, but the rash didn't look anything like chickenpox.

Lissfull - I really only got into the possible vaccination connection, but you're right to bring up the other possible causes. I was thinking about the same kind of thing with all the controversy over the plastic water bottles last week, and of course it's not just water bottles. The chemicals and preservatives are everywhere, in everything.

And I definitely agree that a child and their parents should take advantage of every support available to them, regardless of how serious or not the delay is. You (and some other people I know) could probably answer this question better than most, is there a much greater percentage of kids with language delays? Or does it just seem that way? Is it because we expect more and pay more attention than we did 30 years ago? I'm guessing there's no easy answer to my question.

We'll catch you at the walk next year.

J

Lissfull,

I agree 100%! The services are there, use them. My twins were in early intervention from the age of 4 months actual (a little over 1 adjusted). I believe whole-heartedly that this is the reason they've excelled with no issues from their very scary gestation and delivery.

My youngest also has been receiving Speech Therapy since he was 18 months old :)

We've been fortunate to have caring, dedicated teachers who love what they do!

Lissfull

I think more people are aware of the development. More people do play dates and day care and so there is much more comparing than used to happen and therefore we have a lot of children being referred for services for speech and language delays. It's funny though, because many kids that are referred catch up so quickly that by the time we get to the house to do the evaluation, the baby doesn't even qualify anymore.

I know the early intervention programs are stuffed to the gills with many different delays. and funding sucks.

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