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April 06, 2009

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Alice

I've been going to a church here for about a month now and I have to tell you - it is a really good place. Their focus is on serving the community and the message of the bible - and the feel is more like a classroom and less like a church. I feel like I'm in school, literally. There are parts of the service I don't like - they pass around a mic at the end for people to pray out loud, they sing at the beginning - and so I come in late and leave early to skip the parts I am uncomfortable with. But - like you - I believe that at best we have to admit that we don't know.
I don't think I'm going to be able to wrap my head around the idea of believing in God/ Jesus the way the members of the church do. But I do believe in their mission to serve the community, I do love the fact that I feel a sense of community and structure and once every week I feel as though I am learning very good ideals/ morals as it pertains to life - if I leave the Jesus part out of it and just listen to the message - I am always, always left feeling challenged to be better. So, with that, it's also a church where I can openly ask and argue when I have questions or disbelief's or when I think they simply are not challenging people to question the teaching - and they don't care, they aren't offended, in fact they welcome the conversation.

Polly Poppins

There are people, atheists or agnostics, who miss that very sense of community and attempt to start a non-church church, but I have only read about it. But I feel exactly as you do when I go to church, very much.

Alice

Yeah, but the problem with a non-church church is - what do you base your learning or teaching on? Church, for me, is a good place for that sense of community because if you leave the God part out, the message is just as useful. At least at this church it is. The moral teaching is still a basis on which to come together.

Diosa

Alice, I am wondering how many people are actually uncomfortable with at least some aspects of church, but go because it still provides a sense or morality and community in their lives. I can really relate to that.

Polly, I've been thinking that if we looked hard enough, we might find a church we're comfortable with. We've even toyed with the idea of bringing the kids to a different one each week. This requires more time and effort than we've been willing to invest, though. I like to spend Sunday morning at the gym. It's one of my three gym sessions and I can barely keep dedicated to them as it is.

Lissfull

How interesting. I've been away for a while, and I love this post Diosa. I love the sense of community we get at church. I don't like the sense of going out and spreading the good news of Jesus. That's weird to me. Religion is a very personal and difficult thing to discuss, look at how many wars go on because of the different views of religion.
Go to a different church once a month if you have time I am sure you could find something. I would say even try a synagogue. I do believe in God, but I think had a married someone else, I may have a different religion. I wanted for my family that sense of unity, that sense of believing in one religion that I didn't have growing up. I am more science based in my beliefs I think.

I hope that my children keep having faith in some kind of religion as they grow. If nothing else, it is something to turn to when you have nothing else to turn to. There is a comfort that if you have no one else, you have God. But I don't shove that in people's faces. I respect what you believe, and I loved that you came to Thing 1's first communion. You don't need Church or religion to know what is right, you know it in your heart and you certainly teach your children what is right.

What you do is more sincere than the person who takes their child to CCD just to make first communion and that's it. You are firm in your beliefs and you don't falter. That's a belief and faith in yourself and your belief system and that's very real. I know you know all this and don't need me to build you up on your beliefs. Excellent post.

Diosa

Lissful, glad you like the post. If there's one thing every intelligent and compassionate person in this world should be able to agree on, it's that we need to respect each other's beliefs and allow room for open and honest discussion.

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